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!!1 Ep. 162 Ð Rep. John Lewis The Axe Files – Ep. 162: Rep. John Lewis Released July 15, 2017 Axelrod: [00:00:17] The word hero is often overused but not in the case of Congressman John Lewis. He at the early age of 20, 21, 22, 23 put his life on the line again and again along with his student colleagues in the south. Shining a bright light on Amer ican apartheid. He was one of the brilliant speakers at the Washington Memorial demanding civil rights. And he led the group across the Edmund Pettus bridge on Bloody Sunday in Selma. I sat down with John Lewis the other day at the Center for Civil and Hum an Rights in Atlanta for my Axe Files CNN Program. Here is that conversation. Axelrod: [00:01:06] Congressman John Lewis. So good to be with you and especially here at the Center for Civil and Human Rights in Atlanta –Museum of History. So much of what y ou were right in the middle of. We look over here and here’s a mural a photo of the march from Selma to Montgomery. This happened a few days after you and hundreds of others were savagely beaten and gassed, stomped on by horses trying to cross the Edmund P ettus Bridge in Selma. Tell me how you feel were doing today. How far down the road have we gotten from that bridge and are we still moving forward. Lewis: [00:01:47] But David. I’m honored to be in your presence to be here with you. I must tell you we have come a distance. We’ve made progress. But there are forces in America trying to slow us down. Or take us back. And when I think about what happened here in American South. Not just in Selma. But all across the south. In Mississippi. In Georgia. In Tenn essee. Where people had to go through. To pass a so-called literacy test. People were asked to count the number of bubbles in a bar soap. The number of jellybeans in a jar. There were African -American lawyers and doctors college professors, high school pri ncipals, housewives and farmers were told over and over again that they failed the so -called Desert test. So we had to do. What we did. Axelrod: [00:02:49] Well what in terms of where we are today. You’ve –you’ve been pretty harsh in your criticism of th e president of the United States. You at times compared him to George Wallace who was the governor who presided over those state troopers who attacked you on the Edmund Pettus Bridge. That’s pretty tough criticism. Lewis: [00:03:09] Well you know. I thin k the person we have in Washington today as uncaring, know very very little about this struggle and the history of the civil rights movement. That black and white people died; they gave their lives. I think about Andrew Goodman, Mickey Schwerner, James Cha ney. I think about Viola Liuzzo, this white housewife who came from Detroit, who was shot –murdered –on a highway between Selma and Montgomery by the Klan. And countless individuals. Just gave everything they had. Axelrod: [00:03:56] But George Wallace, I mean that’s that’s what about the president and his actions suggest to you that he is in that tradition, the tradition of a famed notorious segregationist. Lewis: [00:04:11] Well I think this president right now is asking, for their records –the voter registration records of people all over America. That is a form of intimidation, that is a form of harassment. Axelrod: [00:04:30] This is voter integrity integrity commission and vice president [crosstalk. Lewis: [00:04:34] And and some of the people that make up this commission. They have a history a long history of making it harder and difficult for people to participate in the democratic process. We’ve come too far. This president should be leading us into the future, not taking us backward. Axelr od: [00:04:55] You essentially boycotted the inauguration of the president. I was actually critical of
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